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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Child-centric&#8217; schools by Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.myshortpencil.com/blog/2005/11/34/modernizing-the-curriculum-and-schools/jerry/child-centric-schools/#comment-8647</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure I've taught--law in colleges.  But do I also have to be an oil rigger to be qualified to critique the price of oil?  Since educator wages are set primarily by political forces, every citizen is qualified to critique educators' salaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure I&#8217;ve taught&#8211;law in colleges.  But do I also have to be an oil rigger to be qualified to critique the price of oil?  Since educator wages are set primarily by political forces, every citizen is qualified to critique educators&#8217; salaries.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Child-centric&#8217; schools by DLF51</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLF51</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever taught?  Anyone with a college degree can become a substitute teacher.  I suggest you teach for a few days or more in Albany, Schenectady, or Troy.   Then you will be qualified to critique our pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever taught?  Anyone with a college degree can become a substitute teacher.  I suggest you teach for a few days or more in Albany, Schenectady, or Troy.   Then you will be qualified to critique our pay.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Home-schooling in the modern world by Crystal Traini</title>
		<link>http://www.myshortpencil.com/blog/2005/11/36/home-schooling/jerry/home-schooling-in-the-modern-world/#comment-5926</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal Traini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a public school educator, turned SAH mom.  My husband is also a public educator.  And now here is your shock... WE agree with you!
I am glad I stumbled onto your blog.  I have been doing a home study on sexual deviancy in the public schools and found your information-infor that ALL parents must be aware of!

Keep it up!  Right now my children are in a Christian school while I stay home.  Believe it or not- we do it on one of those "measly" teacher salaries  :)  Yes, apparently according to NEA we are "miracle workers", right?

Anyhow, keep writing!  I am enjoying knowing I am not alone.  I feel outcast enough simply because I am a public educator AND conservative. That doesn't settle well with the "open minded" liberal peers that I have   ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a public school educator, turned SAH mom.  My husband is also a public educator.  And now here is your shock&#8230; WE agree with you!<br />
I am glad I stumbled onto your blog.  I have been doing a home study on sexual deviancy in the public schools and found your information-infor that ALL parents must be aware of!</p>
<p>Keep it up!  Right now my children are in a Christian school while I stay home.  Believe it or not- we do it on one of those &#8220;measly&#8221; teacher salaries  <img src='http://www.myshortpencil.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Yes, apparently according to NEA we are &#8220;miracle workers&#8221;, right?</p>
<p>Anyhow, keep writing!  I am enjoying knowing I am not alone.  I feel outcast enough simply because I am a public educator AND conservative. That doesn&#8217;t settle well with the &#8220;open minded&#8221; liberal peers that I have   <img src='http://www.myshortpencil.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Child-centric&#8217; schools by Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.myshortpencil.com/blog/2005/11/34/modernizing-the-curriculum-and-schools/jerry/child-centric-schools/#comment-5528</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven, I'm wondering whether you think it's possible to have a thesis that isn't prejudiced and slanted if the conclusion is that teacher salaries are too high?  I take it that your position on the issue is neutral and objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven, I&#8217;m wondering whether you think it&#8217;s possible to have a thesis that isn&#8217;t prejudiced and slanted if the conclusion is that teacher salaries are too high?  I take it that your position on the issue is neutral and objective.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Child-centric&#8217; schools by Steven Scharf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Scharf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you attacking teacher salaries and not other public servants.
Police and firemen make good salaries and get similar or better benefits than teachers. But no one attacks them.  Why?  Because the budget that pays for these workers is not under the direct scrutiny of the general public.  You quote studies that show that having a master's degree doesn't make one a better teacher.  Well, experience makes you a better teacher, a masters degree makes you master your subject better.  What the problem is, until recently, it didn't matter what you got your masters in, whether is was related to what you taught or not. I have a masters degree and then some, all in physics.  I teach in one of the better schools in New York City.  My students always do well on the NYS Regents Exam.  Many teachers work hours beyond their regular day.  There are two young earth science teachers in my department that arrive at school 7 AM in the morning and usually don't leave before 3 PM and then take work home with them.  Over my career I have accepted jobs that added many hours to my work week.  Sometimes I got paid, sometimes I didn't.  In fact, most of the time I didn't.  So, there are many things all your studies miss.  The hours teachers put in, the effort they put in to their students, the handholding, the teaching after and/or before school are not accounted for with your arguments against teachers' salaries.  Granted, there are a few bad apples, but you have that in any profession.  The key to getting better qualified teachers in the classroom is to make requirements more rigorous and uniform.  The system is to blame for many of the bad apples as well as administrators who give bad teachers good recommendations to get rid of them.  Your study on the subject of teachers' salaries is basically a statistical one with nothing more than a collecting of data you can get from the internet.  Try visiting schools, talking to teachers, parents and kids.  Statistics can be used to prove almost anything if there is premeditated agenda behind the study.  Your thesis is prejudiced and slanted.  

Sincerely yours,

Steven Scharf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you attacking teacher salaries and not other public servants.<br />
Police and firemen make good salaries and get similar or better benefits than teachers. But no one attacks them.  Why?  Because the budget that pays for these workers is not under the direct scrutiny of the general public.  You quote studies that show that having a master&#8217;s degree doesn&#8217;t make one a better teacher.  Well, experience makes you a better teacher, a masters degree makes you master your subject better.  What the problem is, until recently, it didn&#8217;t matter what you got your masters in, whether is was related to what you taught or not. I have a masters degree and then some, all in physics.  I teach in one of the better schools in New York City.  My students always do well on the NYS Regents Exam.  Many teachers work hours beyond their regular day.  There are two young earth science teachers in my department that arrive at school 7 AM in the morning and usually don&#8217;t leave before 3 PM and then take work home with them.  Over my career I have accepted jobs that added many hours to my work week.  Sometimes I got paid, sometimes I didn&#8217;t.  In fact, most of the time I didn&#8217;t.  So, there are many things all your studies miss.  The hours teachers put in, the effort they put in to their students, the handholding, the teaching after and/or before school are not accounted for with your arguments against teachers&#8217; salaries.  Granted, there are a few bad apples, but you have that in any profession.  The key to getting better qualified teachers in the classroom is to make requirements more rigorous and uniform.  The system is to blame for many of the bad apples as well as administrators who give bad teachers good recommendations to get rid of them.  Your study on the subject of teachers&#8217; salaries is basically a statistical one with nothing more than a collecting of data you can get from the internet.  Try visiting schools, talking to teachers, parents and kids.  Statistics can be used to prove almost anything if there is premeditated agenda behind the study.  Your thesis is prejudiced and slanted.  </p>
<p>Sincerely yours,</p>
<p>Steven Scharf</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Can I Increase My Salary? by Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree 100% with Joanne's comments.  I am have taught in a public school for the last ten years and have never heard of most of the supposed benefits listed here.  Free parking?  You are really making quite a reach to paint teachers in as negative a light as possible.  I pay the same rates for my mortgage, my daycare and my student loans as every other working American.  It took me eight years to reach 30,000 a year.  But I don't complain.  I love my job and I don't feel badly that I have a week off at Christmas...so does my mother in law who has worked at the grocery store for 15 years and my best freind who is an accountant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree 100% with Joanne&#8217;s comments.  I am have taught in a public school for the last ten years and have never heard of most of the supposed benefits listed here.  Free parking?  You are really making quite a reach to paint teachers in as negative a light as possible.  I pay the same rates for my mortgage, my daycare and my student loans as every other working American.  It took me eight years to reach 30,000 a year.  But I don&#8217;t complain.  I love my job and I don&#8217;t feel badly that I have a week off at Christmas&#8230;so does my mother in law who has worked at the grocery store for 15 years and my best freind who is an accountant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Can I Increase My Salary? by joanne boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanne boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been teaching for 23 years and I never heard of some of
these "bonuses", and I certainly pay Social Security taxes; don't 
know anybody who doesn't.  Please be careful not to paint this job
 as some kind of dream job that makes the rest of the world suckers
 for supporting teachers. I feel sick when I read this site. One 
of the entries talked about 1923 salaries and conditions as if they 
were something to bring back. Teaching used to be a job that women
took til they got married in this country. This is clearly not
the case today. We are subject to cost of
 living increases and we want to send our kids to college and 
own homes and get recognition for our work like anyone else.
We are not priests or nuns or saints; we are people who are 
choosing a job that everyone criticizes and seems to envy and 
begrudge paying us for, but nobody actually wants to do, and we are trying to educate your (and our) children. I want every one of you with a difficult 
teenager to imagine having 150 of them every year for your entire
working life.
  Another entry compared teaching salaries to the way farmers are
 paid.I can't imagine comparing teaching to sales or custodial 
work or nuclear physics. It's a very different kind of work and
the compensations will be different.Construction workers make a lot
of money because it's dangerous and seasonal work they do, and I
have no problem with that. People seem to think it's a 
"dollars =results" thing and unfortunately, it doesn't work that 
way. We're working with kids, not corn or phone book ads or vacuum
 cleaners. It's an art more than a science,and maintaining teenagers' interest and overcoming their hormones, home lives, apathy and sometimes dispassionate hatred is a daily, draining struggle that has at various times caused me to cry--not
just for me, but for them--on my drive home, home where I will sit and
grade papers or plan lessons for three to four more hours a night.
I go in and "perform" daily for students who are often wonderful,
which is why I stay with it, but who  may insult me, break things 
in the classroom and beat up other kids simply because they had a 
bad day-- or for darker reasons, such
as being abused at home, having no place to sleep at night, being
bullied and terrified by other children, or because they are the 
future Ted Bundy, serial killer or rapist that you read about in the
papers. They all went to school, you know. They all had teachers
who probably had a clue pretty early on that the kid would end up
in the newspapers. Every fall I wonder if this is the year I will
be shot by a student disgruntled because he failed a class or had
a fight with his father.

I love my job for the most part, but that is in spite of the 
constant emotional upheaval, the absolute lack of social life
(English teachers do NOTHING but grade papers, believe me),the 
constant self-questioning I do about whether I have done the
best I could for the kids, the beating myself up over the occas-
ional times I have lost it and been impatient or sarcastic with
a kid, the trying to work within a system that is always reinventing
itself in an attempt to basically do the same thing, and often doing
more harm than good, and the lack of understanding of this work 
that people have. I don't think I make too much money. I make 
enough for what I do and for what I bring to the job, and what
the job takes out of me.

 When I read vitriol that seems to paint this
job as some simple minded work that anyone can do and has perks 
beyond measure, I wonder which schools these people are talking 
about. If it's such a cake job, why do 50% of new teachers leave 
before they are there for five years? When I was younger, I thought
the summer breaks were unnecessary but a nice aspect of the job; I 
taught summer school for a dozen years and worked waitressing 
and retail to supplement my
$12,000 a year salary. But teaching takes a toll on you. I am a 
good teacher, and the years have made me better than I was,
 but I do not have the stamina for this that I had 
before, and I *need* the time to not have Kids in My Head for 24/7.
In the summer my hair stops falling out, my ulcer subsides, and
I can actually participate in my own life. And I work on school 
stuff regularly. Good teachers never stop thinking about things that
will make their classes better, but during the school year, you are
like a hamster on a wheel, desperately trying to keep up with
the hundred-plus lives you are handed every September, lives that
come with incredible baggage that you can't possibly know about but
are expected to be able to anticipate, and make that kid want to
learn when all he cares about is not getting killed by the 
stepbrother that just got out of prison and is after him----
 or he has an attitude that you have to spend half the year 
working on because his parents constantly talk about how easy 
teachers have it and how overpaid you are and what stupid books 
you are using in the classroom. Those are the kids who think it's 
okay to hurl insults at their teachers and resent every attempt to
 be taught. When they fail their exams it is then my fault for
not being able to overcome the attitude that the parents managed
to instill.  Nice job. 

 I sound bitter, but the thing is, I'm an
idealist. I know I could do wonderful things with all my troubled
kids if I didn't have so damn *many* of them. I don't have enough
time or energy to do everything this job requires and because I
have a work ethic, it exhausts me. This is why teachers want fewer
students. Teachers can't really say anything about what would make
the schools work because somehow if we had few enough students to
really do our work right or better working conditions, people would 
accuse us of having it too easy. Somehow they already do think
we have it too easy, so education will never get better, as far as 
I can tell. The job is too difficult to offer less money to teachers.
Who would want to do it? They can't get qualified teachers in the 
big city schools as it is, because THE JOB IS TOO HARD for most 
people. I'm not talking about affluent suburbs that produce lots of
people who discuss educational issues in the paper and on blogs.
It's ironic that teachers in those schools get paid so much more 
when they have it so mucheasier. I'm talking about rural and urban
 schools where the social problems make the job of teaching a kid
near to impossible, but the districts have little money to actually
restructure families. Who's going to go in and read to little kids
at night, show them to appreciate nature and respect science ....
this just makes me so tired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been teaching for 23 years and I never heard of some of<br />
these &#8220;bonuses&#8221;, and I certainly pay Social Security taxes; don&#8217;t<br />
know anybody who doesn&#8217;t.  Please be careful not to paint this job<br />
 as some kind of dream job that makes the rest of the world suckers<br />
 for supporting teachers. I feel sick when I read this site. One<br />
of the entries talked about 1923 salaries and conditions as if they<br />
were something to bring back. Teaching used to be a job that women<br />
took til they got married in this country. This is clearly not<br />
the case today. We are subject to cost of<br />
 living increases and we want to send our kids to college and<br />
own homes and get recognition for our work like anyone else.<br />
We are not priests or nuns or saints; we are people who are<br />
choosing a job that everyone criticizes and seems to envy and<br />
begrudge paying us for, but nobody actually wants to do, and we are trying to educate your (and our) children. I want every one of you with a difficult<br />
teenager to imagine having 150 of them every year for your entire<br />
working life.<br />
  Another entry compared teaching salaries to the way farmers are<br />
 paid.I can&#8217;t imagine comparing teaching to sales or custodial<br />
work or nuclear physics. It&#8217;s a very different kind of work and<br />
the compensations will be different.Construction workers make a lot<br />
of money because it&#8217;s dangerous and seasonal work they do, and I<br />
have no problem with that. People seem to think it&#8217;s a<br />
&#8220;dollars =results&#8221; thing and unfortunately, it doesn&#8217;t work that<br />
way. We&#8217;re working with kids, not corn or phone book ads or vacuum<br />
 cleaners. It&#8217;s an art more than a science,and maintaining teenagers&#8217; interest and overcoming their hormones, home lives, apathy and sometimes dispassionate hatred is a daily, draining struggle that has at various times caused me to cry&#8211;not<br />
just for me, but for them&#8211;on my drive home, home where I will sit and<br />
grade papers or plan lessons for three to four more hours a night.<br />
I go in and &#8220;perform&#8221; daily for students who are often wonderful,<br />
which is why I stay with it, but who  may insult me, break things<br />
in the classroom and beat up other kids simply because they had a<br />
bad day&#8211; or for darker reasons, such<br />
as being abused at home, having no place to sleep at night, being<br />
bullied and terrified by other children, or because they are the<br />
future Ted Bundy, serial killer or rapist that you read about in the<br />
papers. They all went to school, you know. They all had teachers<br />
who probably had a clue pretty early on that the kid would end up<br />
in the newspapers. Every fall I wonder if this is the year I will<br />
be shot by a student disgruntled because he failed a class or had<br />
a fight with his father.</p>
<p>I love my job for the most part, but that is in spite of the<br />
constant emotional upheaval, the absolute lack of social life<br />
(English teachers do NOTHING but grade papers, believe me),the<br />
constant self-questioning I do about whether I have done the<br />
best I could for the kids, the beating myself up over the occas-<br />
ional times I have lost it and been impatient or sarcastic with<br />
a kid, the trying to work within a system that is always reinventing<br />
itself in an attempt to basically do the same thing, and often doing<br />
more harm than good, and the lack of understanding of this work<br />
that people have. I don&#8217;t think I make too much money. I make<br />
enough for what I do and for what I bring to the job, and what<br />
the job takes out of me.</p>
<p> When I read vitriol that seems to paint this<br />
job as some simple minded work that anyone can do and has perks<br />
beyond measure, I wonder which schools these people are talking<br />
about. If it&#8217;s such a cake job, why do 50% of new teachers leave<br />
before they are there for five years? When I was younger, I thought<br />
the summer breaks were unnecessary but a nice aspect of the job; I<br />
taught summer school for a dozen years and worked waitressing<br />
and retail to supplement my<br />
$12,000 a year salary. But teaching takes a toll on you. I am a<br />
good teacher, and the years have made me better than I was,<br />
 but I do not have the stamina for this that I had<br />
before, and I *need* the time to not have Kids in My Head for 24/7.<br />
In the summer my hair stops falling out, my ulcer subsides, and<br />
I can actually participate in my own life. And I work on school<br />
stuff regularly. Good teachers never stop thinking about things that<br />
will make their classes better, but during the school year, you are<br />
like a hamster on a wheel, desperately trying to keep up with<br />
the hundred-plus lives you are handed every September, lives that<br />
come with incredible baggage that you can&#8217;t possibly know about but<br />
are expected to be able to anticipate, and make that kid want to<br />
learn when all he cares about is not getting killed by the<br />
stepbrother that just got out of prison and is after him&#8212;-<br />
 or he has an attitude that you have to spend half the year<br />
working on because his parents constantly talk about how easy<br />
teachers have it and how overpaid you are and what stupid books<br />
you are using in the classroom. Those are the kids who think it&#8217;s<br />
okay to hurl insults at their teachers and resent every attempt to<br />
 be taught. When they fail their exams it is then my fault for<br />
not being able to overcome the attitude that the parents managed<br />
to instill.  Nice job. </p>
<p> I sound bitter, but the thing is, I&#8217;m an<br />
idealist. I know I could do wonderful things with all my troubled<br />
kids if I didn&#8217;t have so damn *many* of them. I don&#8217;t have enough<br />
time or energy to do everything this job requires and because I<br />
have a work ethic, it exhausts me. This is why teachers want fewer<br />
students. Teachers can&#8217;t really say anything about what would make<br />
the schools work because somehow if we had few enough students to<br />
really do our work right or better working conditions, people would<br />
accuse us of having it too easy. Somehow they already do think<br />
we have it too easy, so education will never get better, as far as<br />
I can tell. The job is too difficult to offer less money to teachers.<br />
Who would want to do it? They can&#8217;t get qualified teachers in the<br />
big city schools as it is, because THE JOB IS TOO HARD for most<br />
people. I&#8217;m not talking about affluent suburbs that produce lots of<br />
people who discuss educational issues in the paper and on blogs.<br />
It&#8217;s ironic that teachers in those schools get paid so much more<br />
when they have it so mucheasier. I&#8217;m talking about rural and urban<br />
 schools where the social problems make the job of teaching a kid<br />
near to impossible, but the districts have little money to actually<br />
restructure families. Who&#8217;s going to go in and read to little kids<br />
at night, show them to appreciate nature and respect science &#8230;.<br />
this just makes me so tired.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flattening Instruction by david deschryver</title>
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		<dc:creator>david deschryver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 02:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad to see someone read the article with care.  Thanks for doing that.   I think the question is more difficult than the criticism suggests, and I do conclude that this will happen because the arguments against it (which I run through) are not so strong.  But the scope of how it will happen will be a political question for sure.  A very political one.  

Thanks for your work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad to see someone read the article with care.  Thanks for doing that.   I think the question is more difficult than the criticism suggests, and I do conclude that this will happen because the arguments against it (which I run through) are not so strong.  But the scope of how it will happen will be a political question for sure.  A very political one.  </p>
<p>Thanks for your work</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Child-centric&#8217; schools by Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like "unschooling" on a large-scale, community-sized level. Can a community succeed at that? Montessori is one attempt in that direction--it's awfully hard for one teacher to motivate a classroom full of kids to pursue independent learning. Maybe what we need is more incentive for parents to homeschool. Isn't that the way God designed the family? To "train children in the way they should go"?

Really, it's not about motivating kids--they're natural scientists. It's about not killing their natural curiousity so early in life. But kids these days have had traditional school pumped into them from before they could write their own names--it will take more than a well-lit school building to re-ignite their ability to think for themselves.

But who really wants that? We adults are afraid that we'll lose our grip on power if we free our children to think independently. Government certainly doesn't want its citizens thinking outside the box. Employers don't want employees getting fed up with their situation and going off to do their own thing. Our schools train our children to be "good citizens" who don't rock the boat and "good employees" who will slave away for decades and then be satisfied with a small but regular pension check. We don't want to have to face problems ourselves--we want government and bosses and insurance companies to shoulder all the risk, but then we'll raise a meek objection when they get all the potential profit.

As long as adults aren't ready to accept both the risk and the payoff of thinking independently ourselves, we will continue to imprison our children in schools that are literally designed with much the same floor plans as penitentiaries, and praise these minors for conforming enough to get an "A", so they can go to the right college and make more "A's", so they can get the right job and work quietly for the rest of their lives. 

From a homeschooling mom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like &#8220;unschooling&#8221; on a large-scale, community-sized level. Can a community succeed at that? Montessori is one attempt in that direction&#8211;it&#8217;s awfully hard for one teacher to motivate a classroom full of kids to pursue independent learning. Maybe what we need is more incentive for parents to homeschool. Isn&#8217;t that the way God designed the family? To &#8220;train children in the way they should go&#8221;?</p>
<p>Really, it&#8217;s not about motivating kids&#8211;they&#8217;re natural scientists. It&#8217;s about not killing their natural curiousity so early in life. But kids these days have had traditional school pumped into them from before they could write their own names&#8211;it will take more than a well-lit school building to re-ignite their ability to think for themselves.</p>
<p>But who really wants that? We adults are afraid that we&#8217;ll lose our grip on power if we free our children to think independently. Government certainly doesn&#8217;t want its citizens thinking outside the box. Employers don&#8217;t want employees getting fed up with their situation and going off to do their own thing. Our schools train our children to be &#8220;good citizens&#8221; who don&#8217;t rock the boat and &#8220;good employees&#8221; who will slave away for decades and then be satisfied with a small but regular pension check. We don&#8217;t want to have to face problems ourselves&#8211;we want government and bosses and insurance companies to shoulder all the risk, but then we&#8217;ll raise a meek objection when they get all the potential profit.</p>
<p>As long as adults aren&#8217;t ready to accept both the risk and the payoff of thinking independently ourselves, we will continue to imprison our children in schools that are literally designed with much the same floor plans as penitentiaries, and praise these minors for conforming enough to get an &#8220;A&#8221;, so they can go to the right college and make more &#8220;A&#8217;s&#8221;, so they can get the right job and work quietly for the rest of their lives. </p>
<p>From a homeschooling mom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Child-centric&#8217; schools by daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that these futurists and so many other forward thinking educational reformist all assume that students will be interested, motivated, disciplined, etc to such a degree that they'll want to / be able to study independently in libraries, parks, museums and other venues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that these futurists and so many other forward thinking educational reformist all assume that students will be interested, motivated, disciplined, etc to such a degree that they&#8217;ll want to / be able to study independently in libraries, parks, museums and other venues?</p>
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